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Postby FZ1Rider » Sat Feb 16, 2013 8:23 pm

I am looking for some suggestions on a few worthy modifications on my recently purchased 09' R1. I'm trying not to go overboard, but a few performance, and even cosmetic upgrades are wanted. I'm hoping this group can help me. I'm thinking about a rear sprocket change, 2 or 3 up.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby IGpoobah » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:27 pm

Edward will be along shortly...

I can tell you this though...if you gear it too much you won't be able to keep the front end on the ground.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby edwardk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:32 pm

Full Graves exhaust, Graves Lower velocity stacks, Graves smog block off plates, Graves cams, and Graves shorty turn signals. Bazzaz FI or DynoJet Power Commander V. Ohlins, Penske, or K-Tech rear shock. Rear sprocket +2.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby edwardk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:36 pm

If I had an order of what I would do:
Exhaust
Sprocket
Smog Plates
Bazzaz or DynoJet
Lower Velocity Stacks
Rear shock
Cams
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Re: New to me R1

Postby edwardk » Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:37 pm

IGpoobah wrote:Edward will be along shortly...


Lol. :biglol
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Re: New to me R1

Postby FZ1Rider » Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:21 am

edwardk wrote:If I had an order of what I would do:
Exhaust
Sprocket
Smog Plates
Bazzaz or DynoJet
Lower Velocity Stacks
Rear shock
Cams


Thanks for the follow up. This list is just what I was looking for. But I've been told if I remove the cat, I would have to reprogram. So I picked up couple of Two Brothers slip-on's at good price. The seller had this little shorty exhaust, I didn't like the look or the sound.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby FZ1Rider » Mon Mar 11, 2013 5:15 pm

So if I install a performance fuel injection module, like the Dynojet Power Commander, at that point is tuning out of my hands, and only done at a shop with a dyno?
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Re: New to me R1

Postby rockerphotographer » Mon Mar 11, 2013 6:20 pm

I may be wrong, but a dyno shop should be able to tune without a power commander. It's usually one or the other.

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Re: New to me R1

Postby Jon » Mon Mar 11, 2013 10:02 pm

rockerphotographer wrote:I may be wrong, but a dyno shop should be able to tune without a power commander. It's usually one or the other.

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Yes you would be wrong. Dyno shops have to have a way to interface with the ecu of the bike to tune it. Thats where a power commander or such device comes in. I have read that the R1 stock ecu can be programmed by some, however most dyno shops will know how to tune a power commander or the like. To properly tune the dyno shop also should have a sniffer setup to properly tune for AFR. Many older dyno's just tune for power, which can lead to lean spots which leads to premature wear and failure on the engine.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby rockerphotographer » Tue Mar 12, 2013 7:24 am

Thanks, my experience comes from Buell, pc not needed for those...just a laptop.

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Re: New to me R1

Postby Jon » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:14 am

rockerphotographer wrote:Thanks, my experience comes from Buell, pc not needed for those...just a laptop.

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Was the Buell Carbureted or Fuel Injected? You wont need a PC with a carbureted bike as you modify the physical aspects of the fuel system by changing jets and setting adjustment screws. Fuel injection on the other hand is controlled by the little "black" box. The majority of manufacturers use proprietary firmware that they do not give out to the public. That's where power commander, bazaz, etc come into play. They make contacts with the manufacturer, then design interface box's that can connect to the stock ecu and curve the output values to the injectors, without modifying the stock equipment. That doesnt mean some shop somewhere wouldnt have the knowledge to modify the stock ecu, however most can't.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby rockerphotographer » Wed Mar 13, 2013 11:00 am

Buell was FI but there was a free software that gave access to the ecm. They also had a "race only" ecm that came with a program and allowed full access. So no tuner needed :)

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Re: New to me R1

Postby FZ1Rider » Wed Mar 13, 2013 7:30 pm

So, I'm getting from this that a shop is the only way to tune the Power Commander?
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Re: New to me R1

Postby IGpoobah » Wed Mar 13, 2013 8:55 pm

You can download maps for pre determined setups. It can be a bit of a shot in the dark though if everything on your bike is not exactly the same as the one it was done for.
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Re: New to me R1

Postby Jon » Thu Mar 14, 2013 8:50 am

A shop is the only way to tune if you do not understand AFR and/or have a dyno and sniffer capabilities. With a PC ,Bazaz, or etc you have every capability to modify the fuel map yourself, but if you do not know what your doing, you will likely destroy your engine. There are preconfigured maps with generic configurations, however every bike is slightly different and what works for a seemingly identical bike may not work for another, due to a variety of conditions. Valve specs, Altitude variances, etc. A shop is the best way to get it right.

Now if you have some mods that have caused some issues, you may be better off to go ahead and get a pc3 or the likes and load a generic map to get it to where its runs better, but to get it right you would want to take it to a reputable dyno shop. I did several mods to mine, and have a generic map thats close but I do need to get it adjusted. I just havent found any reputable shops anywhere near me that have sniffer capabilities.
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